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Can You Take It Jonathan Shainin?

Jonathan Shainin, Senior Editor at Caravan, speaks to Madhu Trehan on coming to India, how “he’s not an Indian, but an Indian journalist”, using the journalistic “bullshit meter”, his twitter skirmish with Suhel Seth, Arindam Chaudhuri and the Streisand effect, and making Caravan relevant.

Jonathan Shainin, Senior Editor at Caravan, speaks to Madhu Trehan on coming to India, how “he’s not an Indian, but an Indian journalist”, using the journalistic “bullshit meter”, his twitter skirmish with Suhel Seth, Arindam Chaudhuri and the Streisand effect, and making Caravan relevant.

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  • Armaan Nayar

    the most irrelevant episode. the interview where madhu spoke least. nothing worth comprehendable about it. it irked me so much and i really wanted to ask this guy what she asked him at 25:59. the guy is worthless to even listen vaguely. he thinks american journalism has more than indian journalism and then he think that india is a BIG POND. he is so damn in dilemma getting reflected in his utter misuse and nonsensical usage of ‘I DON’T KNOW” and “YOU KNOW.” Loose it man. madhu dear do four things- 1. apply less makeup 2. conduct interview with better people. 3 frame better questions. 4. If you do’t like suhel seth’s PR work or arindham’s clothes then to authenticate it, you need not to conduct an interview with such jerk called jonathan.even i don’t like both of these fellows but i don’t want a vacuhead person like jonathan to echo my opinion.

    and yes this guy is true-CHRUUUUUUCTERRRRR.

    THE ONLY EPISODE WHERE I GOT HEADACHE AT THE END.

    WORTHLESS INTERVIEW WITH WORTHLESS FELLOW.

  • Afsoos Nayar

    @261b8da04ba113e8835e987710003973:disqus What do mean by saying–“the interview where Madhu spoke least?” Do you have any idea about the way interviews are conducted. You seem to be some dullard saying this. When you invite someone and interview him/her, the basic idea is let the guest speak as much as possible. Why should Madhu speak more?

    About your comment on American journalism, you should not forget English is not an Indian language. The americans have mastered this language and they are trying to help people like you who can’t even write a proper sentence. Basically the problem is with your mindset and gene pool, you are the part of same loser class which imitates west in every possible way and then discourage someone like jonathan who boldly says that he considers himself as an Indian journalist. You actually seem to be intellectually flawed or corrupt, something worse than these two words, that is why your ass is in pain. Get your fucking act together and listen carefully what he says. If you don’t like him because of his skills and genius, which you’ll never have, you can fuck off and go back to medieval times, in which your forefathers might have been brutal Brahmins oppressing chamars and dalits.

    • Aware Indian

      Moderators, please delete this blatantly abusive, incendiary and racist comment.

  • Raja

    It’s great to get a perspective on India from a non-Indian. And Jonathan Shainin has been extremely open here in giving us a peek into his mind. Thank you, Madhu, and thank you, Jonathan. Loved the comment from Madhu about “so you are not really a gora anymore, you are in the thick of it. we have corrupted and baptised you”. :-)

  • Amit Singh

    @afsoosnayar:disqus

    I would like to answer your queries one by one:

    1) “you should not forget English is not an Indian language. The americans have mastered this language and they are trying to help people like you who can’t even write a proper sentence”. So what?? and moreover language a means to express onself. One does not become smart or privileged to comment non-sense if another person is not very well versed with the language he knows. Also, language is achronological, i.e. what ever form of expression is prevalent might not be the same in 100 yrs from now. So you get your fucking act straight, stop babbling and move your ass out of here.
    2)”Basically the problem is with your mindset and gene pool, you are the
    part of same loser class which imitates west in every possible way and
    then discourage someone like jonathan who boldly says that he considers
    himself as an Indian journalist”. Now, the problem with gene pool and loser class. You fucking Idiot, do you know you fucking bastard, that your forefathers didn’t even use to wash for months – you didn’t have a concept of washing yourself daily. You learned this from the humble Hindu when you came to India. I assume you are American, but that doesn’t matter because I know you are of the same gene pool; forefathers driven from the great grandmother of yours – England. But you ass-hole, just read the history of any British Organization – Cadbury, East India Company, British Petroleum, Barclays you would be astounded (or perhaps you already know) these organizations were gangs of quacks and charlatans. Now you don’t talk about gene pool.
    3)”Get your fucking act together and listen carefully what he says. If you
    don’t like him because of his skills and genius, which you’ll never
    have, you can fuck off and go back to medieval times, in which your
    forefathers might have been brutal Brahmins oppressing chamars and
    dalits”. Now to clear your doubt on this one – I agree we have / had a caste system; but remember it was only due to cast system that Hindu society survived for time immemorial. Now, you Idiot, if you call us a caste driven society where dalits are exploited by upper castes; do you remember your forefathers brought people from Africa as slaves. Well, even in Rome you had serfdom. In India, there was peasantry; lower castes and untouchables but never slavery. You don’t give rights to Black people even now. We all know about their plight – recent one is the flooding of New Orleans – Cyclone Katrina. You didn’t even help the people there, because they were poor, Black?? You send your armies to any part of the world just to lay hands on the resources – you government uses your taxpayer money to kill people – Iraq war, Syrian War, Libyan War, Korean War, Dropping atom bombs on Japan. Do you think a vermin like you needs to be present on earth.
    My advice to you is stop this stupidity – no offenses to Jonathan he’s a great guy and has got his own style of writing and editing; stop wasting your time and adding stray comments.